THE SCIENCE NUMBER | Living in Satan’s Backyard (with Chris Van Matre)

Flat Earth | Interviews | The Unexpected Cosmology
Noel Joshua Hadley

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THE HOLLOW EARTH THEORY was apparently something to be tinkered with in 2014. Mark Sargent doodled with it. So did Chris Van Matre.

Admiral Byrd, check.

Flying saucers, check.

Wooly Mammoth, check.

One thing led to another…

Eric Dubay, check…?

Van Matre immediately turned his thoughts from the hollow places of Jules Verne lore to flat planes, as presented by Eric Dubay, for three or four nights. “I hate to say it, but he had some good material.” He considered all that this so-called flat earth offered in contrast to what could never be seen nor measured, or experienced for that matter, in a hollowed out earth, and in light of his lifelong professions—a land surveyor and also a pilot.

He said, “With my pilot experience, whenever we were flying, you could get up to an altitude, and the smaller airplanes, they have what’s called a trim tab, where you can go on cruise control. It’s almost like auto-pilot. You can fly at a standard level for hundreds of miles without having to tip the nose down to make the adjustments for it. And they also teach you to pick a spot on the nose of the airplane so that you can reference it to your instruments and stay flat and level.”

On his third consecutive day of contemplation Van Matre concluded, “It was right there in my face the whole time.”

“It took only about a week for it all to sink in, and I got to thinking about the land surveying I’d done, and I was questioning the State Plane Coordinate System. They basically take the globe and they turn it into a flat plane. When we use GPS, that’s what we’re working off of. I started questioning the map, and none of it made sense.”

Differential leveling is a technique used to determine differences in elevation between remote points. “It’s one of the most accurate instruments that we use. In FE Core we just did an experiment called Force the Level, where we went out and used a digital level, and that was one of the things that hit me was, back in the day they ran differential leveling from coast to coast. I started to look at the earth’s curvature. They would have picked up—because those levels will pick up a slight difference within a thousand feet—they would have picked up the curvature. And then they come back with the argument that the level bubble follows the curve of the earth. That’s preposterous! A level is a straight horizontal line. It’s not a curve. They try to explain it away as a level is actually a curve. And most people don’t realize that. Their explanation of a level is not a straight line. It’s a curve.”

Chris Van Matre was raised a Jehovah’s Witness. But in 1981, at the age of 18, Van Matre walked away from religion totally. Science did that to him. “That’s one of the main reasons they fed us all this BS to begin with. Science totally denies God. It doesn’t even want to recognize the Creator.”

“When you start looking into it,” planet Earth, “when you start looking at the numbers, and I tell people almost every day—you know the 666 number? I call it the Science number. When you look at the 8 inches per square mile, its point 666, and it goes forever, but you round up to 6667 at some point. The globe tilts at 23.4 degrees. You take that from 90 degrees, you get 66.6 degrees. The earth circles around the sun at 66, 600 miles an hour, and it’s just all over in Science.”

The flat earth, in errant contrast to planet earth, would cause Chris Van Matre to believe in God and Satan again. The flat earth changed everything.

Chris Van Matre through the years

“I take my dad out to breakfast every Sunday. That’s something I started doing with flat earth. I barely ever talked to him, and when I got into flat earth, the family came to the forefront, and has become one of the number one things that I focus on. And so I started taking my dad out for breakfast or lunch every Sunday for the last two and half, three years now. So we talk about it.” They got talking about religion, and “I said: ‘God instilled in us—you know when you’re doing something right or wrong. You truly do.’ So I think if you operate or live your life doing the things that are morally right, then I believe you’re following like He wants you to do. And I truly believe that in my heart.”

“I believe there’s a God,” Van Matre stressed this point. “I used to be non-religious—an atheist. I now believe one of the biggest reasons they put the globe, why mainstream Science puts it there, is to hide God.”

Quite contrarily, planet Earth, he would come to acknowledge, is Satan’s backyard.

Noel

 

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This article was a segment from THE UNEXPECTED COSMOLOGY: Rise of the 21st-Century Flat Earth Awakening, and is now on sale on Amazon and eBay.

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IN the summer of 2019, I was seated in the wine cellar of a walled Medieval town high above the Dordogne Valley of France, not far from Sarlat-la-Canéda, making phone calls, writing reports. I have given this story in other places and it appears as though you’re about to hear it again. Rob Skiba is a name you that you might be familiar with. Though he had made a name for himself as a Nephilim researcher, more recently Rob had taken a dive into the deep end of the pool via flat earth research. The recorded interviews I conducted between he and Rick Hummer, a fellow flat earth investigator and close friend of his, was published while still occupying that very wine cellar. Read all about it. Chicago Is Not a Mirage.

Word quickly spread. Within a few short weeks, dozens of flat earth researchers began accepting my invite for a private interview, if not a series of interviews. From a 17th-century tower built by King Louis XIV, and with a stunning view of the Alps, I sat down with Robbie Davidson, founder of the Flat Earth International Conferences, conducting multiple sessions. While staying in Dumfries, Scotland, David Weiss agreed to take part in the interviews, as did Bob Knodel of Globebusters. There were others. But when I asked the interviewees to discuss the moments that shaped their lives, among the many PSYOPs, false flag attacks, and hoaxes that were discussed, only these men committed commentary to the false 9/11 narrative.

The resulting recordings ballooned into The Unexpected Cosmology, a book which became a website and was even intended as an anthology. And of course, the following discourse was originally a chapter. It was Walt Disney who stated, “Disneyland will never be completed. It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world.” Those sentiments remain applicable here as well. American Sensationalism: The 9/11 Interviews was always intended to be expanded upon with the inclusion of new researchers. So I’m sorry to say the project became stagnant during the Covid-19 psychodrama. I took a break to tackle other projects. We lost Rob Skiba. Rob offered hours of private conversation regarding his life but we never got around to the big one. 9/11. It was in the cards. Sadly, Bob Knodel died soon afterwards. Voices are being squeezed from an entire generation. Gnosis passes with them.

In the aftermath, the FE community became fractured. People began going their separate ways. Robbie Davidson, among a noted few others who were interviewed for the project, got up and left the movement altogether. It is not my intent to erase his or the contributions of others if only brief. They came, they went, their testimonies remain.

The original vision may have hit roadblocks but it is not forgotten. I expanded this paper a few years later to include testimony from author Pauly Hart, a dear friend of mine. I had wanted to continue that trend every year thereafter but you know how it goes. For the 25th anniversary of the attack I have redirected my efforts to its first large scale expansion, including Andrew Hoy and Darrin Geisinger into the mix. Perhaps others will lend their experiences to the recorder in time.

The following is their report.

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