Flat Earth Facts & The Bible As The Standard of Truth

by | Aug 3, 2020

Often times people are trying to understand what the Flat Earth model really is. It seems like the logical thing to do for someone who thinks the earth is flat. The problem is that we don’t trust the scientific community enough to give us an accurate model in the first place, so how could we ever have an accurate model of a flat Earth? So rather than try and convince you of a working Flat Earth model, let’s take a look at some holes in the globe earth theory.

So here’s the first problem: Trust. Who is it that you trust and why? And even with the people that you do trust, does it make sense to simply take their word, or do further research and verify everything they’ve said for yourself? Think about it. The second problem: Logic. People who are tied to the round earth model are not able to follow their own logic to their natural conclusions. We’ll talk more about this later in the article, suffice it to say now, that logic is a big part of the circumstantial evidence puzzle that we’ll be piecing together here today. Another interesting problem is actual science (you know, the type done that employs the scientific method) that we understand shows that the Copernican model doesn’t work. Again, we’ll touch more on this below. And lastly, it seems most skeptics of the flat earth have a problem with understanding motive. They don’t understand what the motive would be for anyone or any group concealing such knowledge from the rest of the population.

 

Let’s Dig In!

 

Here’s a question for you to get started… How dumb are you? I mean on a scale of 1 to 10 how really dumb are you as a human being? You must be completely stupid right? After all, you’re not a scientist. Those scientists guys are just so much smarter than you regular humans right? Or… maybe that’s not the case… Maybe, you are actually just as smart, if not smarter than some of these people telling you things about the world you live in. So, let’s start this off by giving yourself some credit. No one is smarter than you. They may be better at some things and have a better understanding of other things, but in the scheme of it all, your intelligence level is roughly the same. And if you think that’s wrong, let’s stop right here because there’s no way I’m going to convince you of anything else. You need to understand what it means to be an intelligent person and a thinker (it doesn’t mean pontificating about how astronomical the universe might be, or being a math genius. Just being able to think for yourself). And let’s be real, Michio Kakku isn’t going to be fixing my sink, and Elon Musk isn’t going to grow a perfect 40,000 acres of corn, or build me a house, or pretty much anything he hasn’t spent years and years studying.

Moving on.

So your first obvious reaction is, “We have pictures of the Earth!” That’s true. And, all of those pictures are composite images. In other words 90% of the photos you seen of the Earth are self-proclaimed fakes. And I don’t mean people claim they are fakes, I mean NASA claims they are composite images assembled in Photoshop for your pleasure.

 

 

So now we have to break out the old logic meter… Mine says if 90% of the images are self-proclaimed faked by NASA, then the other 10% that don’t have an explicit label on them are not exactly what I would call trustworthy. Is that a fair assessment to make? Discounting the fact that I already have a preconceived notion that the Earth is round I could safely rule out pictures of the earth as proof of that roundness.

 

But We’ve Been To The Moon…

 

 

Really? So what you’re saying is that 50 years ago we had the technology to go to the moon, but today we don’t have that technology. Is that what you’re telling me? I’m just going to reach into my back pocket and pull out the old logic meter again and see if this registers on the bologna scale. If this doesn’t completely rock your world, then I’m sorry but you’re lost in the Matrix and you’ll never come out.


 

Also, let’s not forget that NASA claims there are dangerous radiation belts above the Earth that are high heat that won’t allow us to pass through in a spacecraft. Maybe I’m just one of those stupid people whose not a scientist so I don’t get it, but if we had the technology to do this 50 years ago, shouldn’t we be 10 times as good at going through these radiation belts by now? Not to mention the official atmospheric temperature once you get a 100km above the Earth is somewhere in the neighborhood of 4500°F. To give you an idea of how hot this is, your kitchen oven can reach about 500°F, a jewelers gold melting oven can reach about 2100°F, and an industrial blast furnace used for melting iron can get to about 4200°F.

None of the materials used to build our “spacecraft” can withstand these temperatures. Just another example of how science and “science” don’t agree. And let us not forget the absurd amount of radiation supposedly up there.

 


 

Another aspect of the moon landing that doesn’t make any sense to me is the fact that we lost the Telemetry data. This was the most brilliant achievement of mankind… Ever! Not to mention the fact that the Telemetry data itself is super complicated. Remember the astronauts were heading towards a planet that circles the Earth approximately once a day. That means that since the trip supposedly took 3 days they were not just heading towards the moon. They were actually heading towards open deep space in the moon had to come across their path right before they’re landing. That means that the calculations necessary we’re so astronomically huge, but I find it hard to believe they could account for the motion of the Earth the motion of the Sun the motion of the Moon the motion of the Galaxy and motion of the expansion of the universe all within equations that were supposedly done by hand on paper. I’m not doubting the mathematical capabilities of anyone, but I am doubting the fact that they have all of the required variables to make those calculations. Even the theory of relativity says that we appear to not be moving in space “even though we are”. So that means that the observable movement is not there. So then how did we calculate for that movement if it’s not observed, and how do we know what that movement is, and what is the proof of that? So again just remember, we’re just dumb non-scientists and don’t understand these things.

 

 

What about stars? How come you can’t see stars even from an airplane? There’s not even a scientific explanation for this. And interestingly astronauts have different opinions about whether you could see stars from space or not. Some astronauts can see all kinds of stars. Other astronauts just see blackness. Their stories are very inconsistent. Someone is lying. Period.

 


 


 

So again, if we break out the old logic meter, we could see that just a fact that no one can keep their story straight about something as simple as either being able to see stars or not, I would say that their stories are false. Besides, in the biblical worldview in the end times, one third of the stars fall to the Earth. I’m pretty sure the Most High didn’t mean in his book that billions and billions of ginormous suns were going to fall to a planet the size of Earth. Instead I think he meant that a bunch of very small lights in the sky are going to fall to Earth.

 

What about satellites?

 

People often think that our Communications are actually done by satellite. But that’s not exactly true. There are thousands of miles of underwater and underground fiber optic cables that run most of our Communications across the oceans. I’m not discounting the fact that we can put things up in the sky that float. I mean I watch balloons float all the time. Also in the Flat Earth model, the Sun and the Moon are somehow suspended over the Earth. So, that means that there’s some sort of mechanism that enables things to float when they are way up high. However, that doesn’t change the fact that (non-balloon) satellites aren’t really used as much as we think they are. If at all… Here’s a map of the underwater fiber optic cable system:

 

 

Does The Bible Say The Earth is Flat?

If you’re wondering to yourself, “Does the Bible say the Earth is flat?” you probably have a few other questions that go along with it. “If the Bible says that Earth is flat, does that mean I can’t trust the Bible?” Or, “could the Earth actually be flat and we’ve been lied to?” And a host of other questions. If you’ve made it this far, you are on the correct path learning the Word of YHWH. So let us dive in and answer the the first question:

Is there a verse in the bible that says

“And The Lord said, the Earth is flat”

No, at least not directly. I don’t want to mislead anyone here by saying that there is a verse that explicitly states that it’s flat. That said, are there hundreds of verses written from a flat earth perspective (meaning that the author thought the earth was flat)? Yes. Absolutely yes. And by the way, if you’re a bible believing Christian, don’t panic. The Bible is written from a flat earth perspective because it, in fact, is flat (for proof, zip to the bottom of this article).

Now let’s begin with the 10 Commandments, specifically commandment #2:

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

Notice I bolded the words “water under the earth.” This clearly indicates that Yah Himself declared that there is water under the Earth to Moses. Personally, I’m only able to draw 3 conclusions from this statement:

  1. Scientists are wrong about what is inside the earth. But what about the crust, the mantle and core (they certainly teach us in school that these exist)?  Not to mention what the mantle, crust and core are made of? Have you ever seen these so-called parts of the Earth? Has anyone?! No. They have not. And since that’s the case, why are they NOT WRONG about the rest of the earth? I mean think about it… they teach this to you like its a fact, when the reality is, they have no idea. So you MUST QUESTION THEM. If this is your conclusion, then you have no other logical option than to doubt cosmology, simply because it comes from mainstream pseudoscience.
  2. God is a liar, and very much a God of contradictions and confusion. This statement in itself is shown to be false all throughout scripture. So if you believe that God flat out lied when he gave the tablets to Moses, then you’re going to have a pretty hard time reconciling just about anything that has to do with being a Christian.
  3. Hebrew cosmology and the biblical flat earth model are correct, and there are waters above and below the earth making the globe model utterly and completely a satanic lie.

Don’t just take my word for it. Here is Hebrew scholar, Dr Michael Heiser talking about Hebrew cosmology:

 


He believes of course that it was “poetic” because “they didn’t know any better”. I’ll get into why this makes absolutely no sense later, suffice it to say, I put this video here are a proof of the fact that this was, in fact, the cosmology as believed by the Hebrew people. As an aside, I really like Dr. Heiser, despite the fact that we disagree. His research is awesome, and even though sometimes he draws conclusions from that research that I (and many others) do not agree with, his main premise is “use your brain and think,” which I wholeheartedly love. Moving on.

Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

Here Job, to me, is reaffirming the fact that the earth is in place and fixed firmly on top of pillars. It’s really that simple.

Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

The circuit of heaven implies that heavens move, not the earth. The circuit (strongs 2329)  is also the “circle” or “vault” of the heavens. So God walks around a circle in heaven or in the vault (as in vaulted dome). This passage doesn’t make any sense in a round earth context to me. Once you view it from a flat earth perspective it obviously does.

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

A lot of people say “duh the earth is in orbit so it hangs on nothing.” Since the Hebrew cosmology was based on a flat earth, I would say the earth hangs on nothing because it set on pillars.

10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

If you’re flat-earth-o-meter isn’t at a 10 here, then I don’t know what to say. The waters have bounds. As in a Truman Show style dome holding the waters back. Maybe its Antartica. Maybes it just the firmament dome itself. I don’t know, but I’m fairly certain this scripture doesn’t imply “the waters all meet up and the land mass kind of separates them…” No. It says he put bounds around the water. Period.

Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Job thinks that the sky is strong. As in HARD, like a molten looking glass. I can’t help but think of 1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. To me, the sky is either hard, or Yahweh is one confusing God. I mean he tells us on the one hand that he isn’t the God of confusion and that he isn’t capable of lying, and yet he told us in Job that the sky is hard… See where I’m going with this (in case you don’t, I’m being sarcastic)?

Let’s go back to the beginning. After Job was written, the book of Genesis was, most scholars think by Moses. So what does that mean? Its means of course that even though Moses is speaking about the creation of the world, he wasn’t there, so Yahuah made known to him what happened.

Genesis 1:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Firmament (aka RIWX). Strongs 7549: extended surface (solid), vault of heaven supporting waters above. As clear as day, the firmament is a hard surface separating the waters above the earth from the sky and waters below the earth. I think this is blatantly clear from the text, even without the definition. But again, the question arises: Did the perfectly righteous Yahweh LIE in only the 6th verse of the story of creation? If you’re opinion is that the earth is round, then I just don’t see any way around it. You think God is a liar.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament of Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The image above shows what the ancient Hebrew view of cosmology. The reason all of these texts are written from a flat earth perspective, is because this is what they believed.

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

I suppose this could be an inter-dimensional window… but that is a stretch. The text is very clear, that its a window, lattice or a chimney for smoke to escape (strong’s 0699). In other words, if you are in an enclosure, such as a house, or a world, such as Earth, the windows in the firmament open to allow the water above to fall in. This actually makes a lot more sense to me also, because it shows just how suddenly the flood came upon the earth. The idea was that no one except for Noah (not even the watchers) knew that the flood was imminent.

Genesis 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;

This verse just points to the fact that there are windows to heaven above, which are holding back the waters above. The windows are shut, and the water stops falling down. It’s really that simple. I supposed that the windows of heaven could be a metaphor for the sky, but the rain is coming from heaven. So either your argument is that Yahweh used dimensional portals or something to send water to earth, or he opened physical windows, as the text says. Going back to what Mike Heiser had to say, they thought he opened physical windows because they thought it was flat. And it is flat. Moving on.

2 Samuel 22:8 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.

This is a simple question of logic. When you realize that the firmament is attached to the earth and heaven is on top of the firmament dome, then when the earth shakes, the foundations of heaven also shake and move because they are connected. Look up. Yes, right now, look up at the sky. You’re looking at a blue material of some sort that appears like glass, and just on the other side of that is Yahweh. Try crying out to God. I’m convinced he can actually hear you.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Agreed.

Psalm 29:10 The LORD sitteth upon the flood; yea, the LORD sitteth King for ever.

Psalm 78:
21 Therefore the Lord heard this, and was wroth: so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel;
22 Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation:
23 Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven,
24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.
25 Man did eat angels’ food: he sent them meat to the full.

This entire section speaks of directionality. There is a clear delineation between up and down, and it’s not relative to the Earth’s position. Up is up, and down is down. If you remove the fact that Heaven is on top of the dome, then you bring all sorts of inter-dimensional nonsense into the mix, which is certainly not supported with scripture.

Psalm 104:
1 Bless the Lord, O my soul. O Lord my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

The idea here is that the firmament is the base, there are waters above, and the beams are on that. Again, these guys thought that the earth was flat which is why they continually write as though Yahweh is dwelling right above their heads.

Psalm 148:4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

Let’s just stop for a moment and consider how little this makes sense in a round earth context (its not in a round earth context). Does that mean that the waters are above the infinite universe? No. Of course not. The heavens are inside the firmament dome, and the waters are above that. See? It makes sense.

Proverbs 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set {Hebrew: “chaqaq”} a compass {Hebrew: “chug”} upon the face of the depth:

This is interesting. It actually means, in this context, “he set a circle upon the face of the depth,” but when you apply the other meaning of compass, which is “direction”, its like he set the path towards himself. Very cool.

Proverbs 8:27 (ESV) When He established the heavens, I was there, When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep.

Here, he is talking from a flat earth perspective with 100% certainty. He is picturing the circle of the earth being inscribed on top of the waters. We know from Dr. Heiser above, this is literally the perspective they had, so just another example of it.

Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

This just flat-out doesn’t make sense if the Earth is round and hurtling through space. If the heavens shake, that would not matter unless they were affixed to the Earth. Since we know Heaven is on top of the dome, this makes perfect sense, however if you try and shake the vacuum of space, you run into all sorts of scriptural problems.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Isaiah 40:22 (ISV) He’s the one who sits above the disk of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He’s the one who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in,

If you know anything about the tabernacle that Andrew Hoy is attempting to build, then you know that the earth and the tabernacle, according to the standards established by the original Hebrew Exodus Wilderness Tabernacle instructions, is a giant tent/dome that is stretched out on Earth. Read more about this project at http://project314.org/

In my opinion, this tabernacle makes the flat earth model seem even more plausible.

What does the prophet Amos have to say? In some translations, he even says “dome”.

Amos 9:6 It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name.
Amos 9:6 (ASV) it is he that buildeth his chambers in the heavens, and hath founded his vault upon the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth; Jehovah is his name.
Amos 9:6 (ESV) it is he that buildeth his chambers in the heaven, and hath founded his vault upon the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea and poureth them out upon the face of the earth; the LORD is his name.
Amos 9:6 (Darby) It is he that buildeth his upper chambers in the heavens, and hath founded his vault upon the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: Jehovah is his name.
Amos 9:6 (NASB)The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavensAnd has foundedHis vaulted dome over the earth,
He who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth, The Lord is His name.

How about Ecclesiastes:

Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

Strong’s H2224: The used here for “arise” is zarach. “to rise, come forth, break out”.


There are many more scriptures that we can look at, but these are some of my favorites.

 

 

Are the References Just Poetry?

 

Getting back to what I was talking about above with scholar Dr. Mike Heiser, he knows that it’s not using poetic language. I think the problem is he is assuming that NASA is trustworthy and that we actually understand cosmology. I don’t blame him. As a scholar, stepping outside of your own area of expertise and saying you know better than someone else is generally frowned upon. I learned this from Dr. John Lennox. But that of course “hurt feelings” or whatever you want to call it is no reason to believe YHWH or not. So I would say that Mike is actually doing a lot of harm to the Christian faith by taking the side of secret societies and lying governments rather than the side of Yeshua and His father. Let me make one final point on this. If Yeshua is truly the son of the Most High and came down to teach men, he had ample time to correct the misunderstanding of the cosmos, knowing full well that it would cause division in the end times. He did not. He allowed people to continue to believe that they lived in an enclosed flat terrarium. That, to me, is proof enough that this round earth scenario is a deception.

Websites such as creation.com like to say things like “We know the earth is round, so flat earth does damage to the bible”. The book of Proverbs speaks for itself:

For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.

With all due respect, we don’t KNOW the earth is round, and many of us, including me (obviously), know that the earth is flat.

 

More Resources

 

Start here:

Here is a list of government documents that assume a flat, non-rotating earth. Note, several of these have been taken down, so I’m hosting as many as possible here.

 

 

Final Thoughts

 

“But Dave, what about _____?”

I get it. I really do. There are a million questions unanswered. But those questions all have to do with comparing the nature of the way things are to the fabricated nature you’ve been indoctrinated to believe. All I can say is either you trust God or you don’t. You believe the ones He has sent in His mighty name all throughout history, declaring His name, or you don’t. It’s really that simple. But consider this. HaShatan (the adversary) was Yahuah’s most perfect creation before he fell. He has more knowledge than any computer could hold, more strength than any animal or machine, more cunning than all of mankind combined, a level of genius so sophisticated its incomprehensible, and a patience so far beyond any measure of imagination, that I wonder why more people don’t think that they could be deceived by this being.

But as for me and my household, we will serve Yahuah.

7 Comments

  1. john

    Wow,Brother,this is awesome. What a tool for the workshop and the source references too. A great article…

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    • Lily

      Fantastic article and a great rebuttal to Dr Heiser who is indeed shaking the faith of many.
      Do we believe Yahuah or nasa?
      It’s as simple as that 🙂
      As for the forces of evil – Yeshua is far far stronger. Maranatha

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      • Dave Currier

        Lily, I don’t understand these theologians who put their faith in other men. It honestly makes me sad. I appreciate Dr. Heiser as an honest scholar, but he simply shouldn’t insert his own theological bias into his conclusions. They are clearly incorrect. Thanks for reading!

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    • Dave Currier

      Thank for reading.

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  2. Roberr Hilton

    Standing ovation from this seat, brilliant presentation.

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  3. Fred

    WOW…You sure did put a lot of lies and misconceptions in that “article”. Strange how one can’t see the north star south of the equator and vice versa for the southern cross. Why when flying 40,000 ft. the sun still “sets” over the horizon? Of course you have no answers for these questions as they disrupt your narrative/cult. BTW, one can accept the love of Christ and live their life as best they can AND also study and explore this big, beautiful universe G-D has created.

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    • Dave Currier

      Hi Fred. “Strange how one can’t see the north star south of the equator and vice versa for the southern cross. ” This would be due to atmospheric lensing and perspective. This concept is easily demonstrated using a magnifying glass and a flashlight. 🤷‍♂️ “Why when flying 40,000 ft. the sun still “sets” over the horizon?” This is a result of atmospheric lensing and perspective also. This is easily verifiable in the same manner.

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