Are There People in Heaven Right Now?

by | Aug 8, 2020

And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of A’dam which is in heaven.

YAHUCHANON (JOHN) 3:13 את CEPHER

Are there people in heaven right now? The only way to determine this is to look at what scripture says. What is the the obvious answer to this biblical question? Are there people in heaven? Well, the simple answer is: NO! There isn’t anyone in heaven right now!

Consider the following from 4 Esdras.

Now, concerning death, the teaching is: When the decisive decree has gone forth from El Elyon that a man shall die, as the ruach leaves the body to return again to him who gave it, first of all it adores the glory of El Elyon. And if it is one of those who have shown scorn and have not guarded the Way of El Elyon, and who have despised his Torah, and who have hated those who fear Elohiym; such ruachoth shall not enter into habitations, but shall immediately wander about in torments, ever grieving and sad, in seven ways. The first way, because they have scorned the Torah of El Elyon. The second way, because they cannot now make a good repentance that they may live. The third way, they shall see the reward laid up for those who have trusted the covenants of El Elyon. The fourth way, they shall consider the torment laid up for themselves in the last days. The fifth way, they shall see how the habitations of the others are guarded by angels in profound quiet. The sixth way, they shall see how some of them will pass over into torments. The seventh way, which is worse than all the ways that have been mentioned, because they shall utterly waste away in con- fusion and be consumed with shame and shall wither with fear at seeing the glory of El Elyon before whom they sinned while they were alive, and before whom they are to be judged in the last times. Now this is the order of those who have guarded the ways of El Elyon, when they shall be separated from their mortal body. During the time that they lived in it, they labouriously served El Elyon, and withstood danger every hour, that they might guard the Torah of the Torah giver perfectly. Therefore this is the teaching concerning them: First of all, they shall see with great joy the glory of him who receives them, for they shall have rest in seven orders. The first order, because they have striven with great effort to overcome the evil thought which was formed with them, that it might not lead them astray from life into death. The second order, because they see the perplexity in which the souls of the wicked wander, and the punishment that awaits them. The third order, they see the wit- ness which he who formed them bears concerning them, that while they were alive they guarded the Torah which was given them in trust. The fourth order, they under- stand the rest which they now enjoy, being gathered into their chambers and guarded by angels in profound quiet, and the glory which awaits them in the last days. The fifth order, they rejoice that they have now escaped what is corruptible and shall inherit what is to come; and besides they see the straits and toil from which they have been delivered, and the spacious liberty which they are to receive and enjoy in immortality. The sixth order, when it is shown to them how their face is to shine like the sun, and how they are to be made like the light of the stars, being incorruptible from then on. The seventh order, which is greater than all that have been mentioned, because they shall rejoice with boldness, and shall be confident without confusion, and shall be glad without fear, for they hasten to behold the face of him whom they served in life and from whom they are to receive their reward when glorified. This is the order of the souls of the righteous, as henceforth is announced; and the aforesaid are the ways of torment which those who would not give heed shall suffer hereafter.

EZRA REVIY`IY (4 EZRA) 7:78-99 את CEPHER

FROM there I proceeded to another spot, where I saw on the west a great and lofty mountain, a strong rock, and four delightful places. Internally it was deep, capacious, and very smooth; as smooth as if it had been rolled over: it was both deep and dark to behold. Then Rapha’el, one of the holy angels who were with me, answered and said, These are the delightful places where the ruachoth, the souls of the dead, will be collected; for them were they formed; and here will be collected all the souls of the sons of men. These places, in which they dwell, shall they occupy until the day of judgment, and until their appointed period. Their appointed period will be long, even until the great judgment. And I saw the ruachoth of the sons of men who were dead; and their voices reached to heaven, while they were accusing. Then I inquired of Rapha’el, an angel who was with me, and said, Whose ruach is that, the voice of which reaches to heaven, and accuses? He answered, saying, This is the ruach of H’avel who was slain by Qayin his brother; and who will accuse that brother, until his seed be destroyed from the face of the earth; Until his seed perish from the seed of mankind. At that time therefore I inquired respecting him, and respecting the general judgment, saying, Why is one separated from another? He answered, Three separations have been made between the ruachoth of the dead, and thus have the ruachoth of the righteous been separated. Namely, by a chasm, by water, and by light above it. And in the same way likewise are sinners separated when they die, and are buried in the earth; judgment not overtaking them in their lifetime. Here their souls are separated. Moreover, abundant is their suffering until the time of the great judgment, the castigation, and the torment of those who eternally execrate, whose souls are punished and bound there forever. And thus has it been from the beginning of the world. Thus has there existed a separation between the souls of those who utter complaints, and of those who watch for their destruction, to slaughter them in the day of sinners. A receptacle of this sort has been formed for the souls of unrighteous men, and of sinners; of those who have completed crime, and associated with the impious, whom they resemble. Their souls shall not be annihilated in the day of judgment, neither shall they arise from this place. Then I blessed ELOHIYM, And said, Blessed be my ADONAI, YAHUAH of glory and of righteousness, who reigns over all forever and ever.   CHANOK (ENOCH) 22:1-15 את CEPHER

Again you might be wondering, are those who are currently DEAD conscious? Well, no, not unless we have immortal bodies or possess an immortal soul. This begs our next question. Are we immortal beings or do we possess an immortal soul? Well, the answer to that is no as well. The bible gives us the answers for this. It speaks very loud and clear on this.

Who only has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amein.

TIMOTHEUS RI’SHON (1 TIMOTHY) 6:16 את CEPHER

Who is the only one who has immortality? That honor belongs to Elohiym. So much for the theory of immortality! What this means is that you and I are not immortal. If your body isn’t immortal then your soul can’t be immortal! If any of us were immortal in any way, shape, or form, then he alone WOULD NOT be immortal as scripture claims! You would make Yahuah a liar!

Why is this so hard for some to comprehend? It doesn’t need any interpretation as it is one of the easiest verses in the entire bible to be understood. And since the bible doesn’t contradict itself, only man’s twisting of it makes it that way, then anything that appears to imply anything other than that can therefore not be correct and must have another explanation.

Is it any wonder that we are told that Mashiach has brought immortality to light and that we must seek for it? Scripture tells us that we are dust and dust we are to return. And the breath returns to the one who gave it. Yahuah breathes into our bodies and we become a living soul. The body without the breath is not a living person but dead. Our soul is not living without the breath of Yahuah.

And YAHUAH ELOHIYM formed את the man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living soul. BERE’SHIYTH (GENESIS) 2:7 את

CEPHER

In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return unto the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return. BERE’SHIYTH (GENESIS) 3:19 את

CEPHER

But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour YAHUSHA HA’MASHIACH, who has abolished death, and has brought life and immortality to light through the Besorah:

TIMOTHEUS SHENIY (2 TIMOTHY) 1:10 את CEPHER

To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

ROMAIYM (ROMANS) 2:7 את CEPHER

 

 

Now, if immortality was already something that humans already possessed, why would you have to seek it? Let’s look at some more verses here to understand some more of this. In Shemu’el Ri’shon 28 we see Sha’ul visiting the witch of Endor. He went there to seek Shemu’el’s guidance. But here is the kicker: Shemu’el is dead. So the witch summons Shemu’el.

And Shemu’el said to El- Sha’ul, Why have you disquieted me, to bring me up? And Sha’ul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Pelishtiym make war against me, and ELOHIYM is departed from me, and answers me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called you, that you may make known unto me what I shall do.

SHEMU’EL RI’SHON (1 SAMUEL) 28:15 את CEPHER

He told Sha’ul, why have you disquieted me to bring me up? Where was Shemu’el? He was resting in She’ol: the grave. As we established earlier in Ezra Reviy’iy, those righteous souls rest in profound quiet, guarded by angels. Scripture says the dead know nothing. If we were immortal living in heaven with Elohiym, we would know things. Not know nothing.

Surely, this is hard to swallow coming out of the doctrines that have been fed to you by religion and culture. But it isn’t biblical. This message is for all of us who are capable of seeking for life. Where did this concept of immortality come from? Look no further than Greek culture. In Greek culture they taught that our bodies are but a shell of our true selves and life doesn’t really begin till you have shucked this mortal coil.

Obviously an inert shell body isn’t capable of anything, right? According to the immortal view, it’s only a shell that houses the soul and therefore, doesn’t have the capacity to do anything, much less seek for immortality. The immortal soul persuasion would have us believe that the conscious souls of the righteous dead like Mosheh, Eliyahu, Chanok, are currently in heaven; but this is impossible!

Consider the following:

את No man has seen YAH at any time; the yachiyd, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

YAHUCHANON (JOHN) 1:18 את CEPHER

 

And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of A’dam which is in heaven.

YAHUCHANON (JOHN) 3:13 את CEPHER

Notice very carefully the information contained in these two verses. First, they tell us that NO ONE has ever seen Yahuah at ANYTIME. How can anyone have ascended into heaven and not ever seen Yahuah? And then it is made clear as to why no one has ever seen Yahuah at anytime and that’s because ABSOLUTELY NO ONE has ever ascended up to heaven where Yahuah dwells.

So, that means that at their deaths, neither Mosheh, Eliyahu, Chanok or any other person for that matter, has ever ascended into heaven where Yahuah dwells. And no, neither did anyone else at the time of Mashiach’s resurrection, not even the thief on the cross!

NOTICE VERY CAREFULLY, Yahuchanon wrote the Besorah of Yahuchanon some time AFTER the death and resurrection of Mashiach. So, please notice how Yahuchanon 3:13 reflects this by indicating, “WHO IS” (present-tense) in heaven! So when Yahuchanon wrote his gospel, Mashiach had already resurrected to heaven, but in the same sentence Yahuchanon makes it very clear that NO ONE ELSE has EVER gone there!

Read it again! That is a very clear and profound statement. Mashiach is the only one who has ascended to the Father. But I thought Eliyahu ascended when he went up in a flaming chariot!? But this isn’t true. We see later that he wrote a letter to the then king. How could he write a letter to the king if he was already in heaven!?! Because he didn’t die and he was just transported elsewhere.

So, that means my friends, that the thief on the cross DID NOT ascend into heaven or paradise, with Mashiach on that day, or any other day for that matter as is popularly believed. It also means that at Mashiach’s ascension, NO ONE went with him up to heaven from Avraham’s Bosom. If Mashiach alone was the one who ascended, then no one else has. Mashiach told the man on the cross next he would be with him in paradise. Let’s review.

And one of the criminals which were hanged railed on him, saying, If you be HA’MASHIACH, save yourself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Do not you fear YAH, seeing you are in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man has done nothing amiss. And he said unto YAHUSHA, ADONAI, remember me when you come into your Kingdom. And YAHUSHA said unto him, Amein I say unto you today, you shall be with me in paradise.

LUQAS (LUKE) 23:39-43 את CEPHER

Has Mashiach entered into his kingdom to reign as king? Have we resurrected yet? These two things have not happened yet. So if Mashiach isn’t in his kingdom, then obviously the thief isn’t with him in paradise yet. Yet is the keyword.

Friends, the Word of Yahuah does not have to repeat something twenty times over to make a point. He is quite clear on this fact but everyone wants to twist his words to suit their own means. If the reference is clear and without vagueness, and easily understood… then consider the point as having been well made.

According to the Bible, NO ONE is or has gone to heaven at death; because according to the Bible, we don’t have an immortal soul! That’s why it also tells us that we humans must seek for it (immortality). And Yahuchanon is also very specific in his implication that Mashiach ascended to and is in heaven, but that NO ONE else is there or has EVER gone there at anytime!

So in conclusion, when we die, WE REALLY DIE and remain in our graves where we wait for the promised resurrection of the dead just as scripture promises and claims. And from all this we can conclude that no one is in heaven but in their graves. And this is a fact according to your bible!

Shalom,

David

 

 

David Weems lives a modest life with his wife and five children. He resides in southern Illinois and is a devout follower of The Way. He can be reached at [email protected]

 

5 Comments

  1. Tony

    It was this teaching first expounded to me by an old Christadelphian Lady I used to visit and then by a 7th Day Adventist friend that broke my devout attachment to the Roman church. Because I liked the thought that I was immortal like God I fought it every step of the way using the writings of anyone who would support it, but once I decided that scripture would be my only authority I gave into into the truth. Adam was told that he would RETURN to the dust of the ground from which he came. Where was he when he was dust? He only existed in the mind of Yahuah then, he had no self existence or pre existence and neither do we.
    Well written Brian, on a controversial subject.

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    • David Weems

      Thanks. It’s been a subject I have had to deal with a lot lately. I only want to shed light on biblical truth.

      Reply
  2. Tony

    Sorry “David” I meant.

    Reply
  3. Ariel Santos

    “FROM there I proceeded to another spot, where I saw on the west a great and lofty mountain, a strong rock, and four delightful places. Internally it was deep, capacious, and very smooth; as smooth as if it had been rolled over: it was both deep and dark to behold. Then Rapha’el, one of the holy angels who were with me, answered and said, These are the delightful places where the ruachoth, the souls of the dead, will be collected; for them were they formed; and here will be collected all the souls of the sons of men. These places, in which they dwell, shall they occupy until the day of judgment, and until their appointed period. Their appointed period will be long, even until the great judgment. And I saw the ruachoth of the sons of men who were dead; and their voices reached to heaven, while they were accusing. Then I inquired of Rapha’el, an angel who was with me, and said, Whose ruach is that, the voice of which reaches to heaven, and accuses? He answered, saying, This is the ruach of H’avel who was slain by Qayin his brother; and who will accuse that brother, until his seed be destroyed from the face of the earth; Until his seed perish from the seed of mankind. At that time therefore I inquired respecting him, and respecting the general judgment, saying, Why is one separated from another? He answered, Three separations have been made between the ruachoth of the dead, and thus have the ruachoth of the righteous been separated. Namely, by a chasm, by water, and by light above it. And in the same way likewise are sinners separated when they die, and are buried in the earth; judgment not overtaking them in their lifetime. Here their souls are separated. Moreover, abundant is their suffering until the time of the great judgment, the castigation, and the torment of those who eternally execrate, whose souls are punished and bound there forever. And thus has it been from the beginning of the world. Thus has there existed a separation between the souls of those who utter complaints, and of those who watch for their destruction, to slaughter them in the day of sinners. A receptacle of this sort has been formed for the souls of unrighteous men, and of sinners; of those who have completed crime, and associated with the impious, whom they resemble. Their souls shall not be annihilated in the day of judgment, neither shall they arise from this place. Then I blessed ELOHIYM, And said, Blessed be my ADONAI, YAHUAH of glory and of righteousness, who reigns over all forever and ever.”- CHANOK (ENOCH) 22

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    • David Weems

      I have this actually in a longer version of the article but I chose the shorter version to post. Shalom.

      Reply

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